NEW YORK, NY – Stephen Hawking has proposed another new shocking theory!
“And on the seventh day God had finished his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.” – Genesis 2:2 – King James Bible
For as long as we can remember, we have been under the impression that Earth was created by God. Everything around us, was given to us by God – for us to flourish and evolve into the greatness that He saw. Challenging the theory of creation is a bold move and perhaps there is not better suited individual to challenge such a theory than Stephen Hawking.
According to the physicist, God did not create the universe and the “Big Bang” was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics.
In “The Grand Design,” co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Miodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.
“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist,” Hawking writes.
“It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue torch paper and set the universe going.”
THERE IS NO DBT ABOUT”GOD DID NOT CREATE THE UNIVERSE”.BUT THERE IS A DBT “HOW THIS HAPNED”
It seems to me its high time for Mr Hawking- seeing he uses his mind to think so much- to start using his mind in trying to figure out his own thoughts, and how HE MANAGES TO HAVE THOUGHTS, and never mind the thoughts- to ask himself the question- in whose presence are all these thoughts taking place? .. . .or maybe he hasn't thought that far yet!
To all the people disagreeing with Hawking, why don't you read is fucking book first?
Now I give Radhasoami Faith view of Creation Theory. In Sar Bachan (Poetry) composed by His Holiness Soamiji Maharaj the August Founder of Radhasoami Faith the details of creation and dissolution has been described very scientifically. It is written in this Holy Book: Only He Himself (Supreme Father)and none else was there. There issued forth a great current of spirituality, love and grace (In scientific terminology we may call this current as gravitational wave). This is called His Mauj (Divine Ordainment). This was the first manifestation of Supreme Being. This Divine Ordainment brought into being three regions, viz., Agam, Alakh, and Satnam of eternal bliss. Then a current emerged with a powerful sound. It brought forth the creation of seven Surats or currents of various shades and colours (in scientific terminology we may call it electromagnetic waves). Here the true Jaman or coagulant was given (in scientific terminology this coagulant may be called as weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force). Surats, among themselves, brought the creation into being.
These currents descended down further and brought the whole universe/multi verse into being i.e. black holes, galaxies etc. were born.
Dear Steve,
Until you find out a cute little mathematical formula for love, I don't think you have this argument won. The laws of physics are not self-written. God is love. God is the universe. I am God. So are you. Deal with it.
“O Nanak, the True One is the Giver of all; He is to be identified through His All-powerful Creative Nature. ||8||”( Page 141, Adi Guru Granth Sahib)
God exists and Identity of His existence is this entire Nature which produces brings up and destroys. Can Stephen Hawkins deny above identification? No doubt, he can not!
This is the proof of God as described in the Sikh Philosophy. God being present in every form transcends beyond every form. We can only feel His consciousness which has provided the capacity, within the empty womb of nothingness, to produce the existence (Universe)
On this issue, further dialogue may take place after ‘Grand Design’ of Stephen Hawkins and his ‘associate’ surfaces.
If hawking said God did not create the universe? Then who created himself upto the first human being,animals,plants and many more? Nothing can comes from nothing without the creator. Because of his intellectual mind he forgot God from his heart. Look at him Is on tthe wheelchair It seems look like a desperate crazy man who trying to destroy the belief in God.Stephen Hawking will soon die Thats 100% accurate and his entire works will be forgotten too." The foolish man said to his hearts there is no god" This is the same like Stephen Hawking.
The current controversy regarding Hawking’s latest book, ‘The Grand Design’ results from the celebrated scientist’s limited vision about ‘origins’ (of life and the universe). Hawking is perhaps under false impression that the current knowledge of quantum physics and general theory of relativity alone is sufficient to unearth mystery surrounding ‘origin of life’, whereas fact of the matter is that study of ‘origin of life’is a muli-disciplinary pursuit involving sound understanding of diverse subjects such as genetics, astrobiology, and molecular biology besides astrophysics. Ironically, despite considerable advancement in the above cited fields in recent years, science just remains clueless about origin of life.
Readers may like to refer to my review article “Origin of Life” published in the peer-reviewed European journal, ‘Astrophysics & Space Science’ (2008, Volume 317, Issue 3-4, pp. 267-278), e-print of which is freely available at the website: http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0907/0907.3552…. for the current status of scientific research in the
inter-disciplinary field of ‘origin of life’.
Ashwini Kumar Lal
The current controversy regarding Hawking’s latest book, ‘The Grand Design’ results from the celebrated scientist’s limited vision about ‘origins’ (of life and the universe). Hawking is perhaps under false impression that the current knowledge of quantum physics and general theory of relativity alone is sufficient to unearth mystery surrounding ‘origin of life’, whereas fact of the matter is that study of ‘origin of life’is a muli-disciplinary pursuit involving sound understanding of diverse subjects such as genetics, astrobiology, and molecular biology besides astrophysics. Ironically, despite considerable advancement in the above cited fields in recent years, science just remains clueless about origin of life.
The current controversy regarding Hawking’s latest book, ‘The Grand Design’ results from the celebrated scientist’s myopic vision about ‘origins’ (of life and universe). Hawking is perhaps under false impression that the current knowledge of quantum physics and general theory of relativity alone is sufficient to unearth mystery surrounding ‘origin of life’, whereas fact of the matter is that study of ‘origin of life’ is a muli-disciplinary pursuit involving sound understanding of diverse subjects such as genetics, astrobiology, and molecular biology besides astrophysics. Ironically, despite considerable advancement in the above cited fields in recent years, science just remains clueless about origin of life.
To all who replied to Stephen's thinking:
Since none of you(us) really know, rather than attacking him or his ideas, sit down and think about what he has written. Stephen has without a doubt sat down and pondered the mystery of life and is doing his very best to discover ways to express what he "knows" therefore we ought to do the same. I would be surprised if we could sound as interesting unless of course we really "thought" before we spoke.
Best Regards to all,
Bill Storness-Bliss
Natures Garden Organic Deli
The current controversy regarding Hawking’s latest book, ‘The Grand Design’ results from the celebrated scientist’s limited vision about ‘origins’ (of life and the universe). Hawking is perhaps under false impression that the current knowledge of quantum physics and general theory of relativity alone is sufficient to unearth mystery surrounding ‘origin of life’, whereas fact of the matter is that study of ‘origin of life’ is a muli-disciplinary pursuit involving sound understanding of diverse subjects such as genetics, organic chemistry, astrobiology, and molecular biology besides astrophysics. Ironically, despite considerable advancement in the above cited fields in recent years,science just remains clueless about origin of life.
Ashwini Kumar Lal
Awarding the ‘2006 Physics Nobel’ to the advocates of the ‘Big Bang Theory’ appears to have been one of the biggest blunders committed by the Nobel Committee in the light of the prevailing inconsistencies(e.g. the unrersolved redshift controversy that has direct bearing on the expanse and the age of the universe, presence of fully developed mature galaxies with higher metallicity in the very early epoch of the universe, and the presence of superclusters of galaxies interspersed with supervoids in the cosmos) that remain inexplicable by the ‘Big Bang Model’.
Readers may like to browse posting no. 435 (reproduced below) on page 44 of the thread :
'Stephen Hawking: God was not needed to create the Universe' at the website : http://www.politics.ie/education-science
Readers may like to watch the video feature titled
‘Big Bang Theory-The ‘biggest’ lie of all? ‘Science’,with NO [Zero, none] ‘scientific evidence’?’
on ‘You Tube’ at the website: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2K-YVmuOCY .
Ashwini Kumar Lal
I am the author of "The First Scientific Proof of God." I also teach this proof at http://georgeshollenberger.blogspot.com/ with ontology. God is necessary being. God is necessary because all finite things can originate only in an infinite thing. Mathematics works only with finite things and their variables. Mathematics do not work with absolute things, such as God. Mathematics cannot develop knowledge about an infinite thing because a necessary God is the greatest thing or absolute. If one studies Galileo' work on bodies, the student will learn that all finite things have an infinite number of parts. So the parts of all finite things are not countable. Truncating mathematical series will not explain living things.
George Shollenberger
I read an article about "God did not create the Universe." I believe Stephen Hawking, a known physicist saying the Universe created itself and by accident. Thousands of years ago no one did not know god exist until humans created a bible and religion, but not from god. It's man made religion. It is a false religion. Why did people believe there were monsters such as vampires, witches or werewolves for hundreds of years and now they don't believe in monsters? When people followed the bible and became religious, they didn't know or understand about the Universe….
People were relying on the bible because the bible was written long before there was no scientists or physicists back then. Religion is an excuse. People go to church doesn't understand about the Universe. We have great expert of researchers, scientists, chemists and physicists studying how Universe was created. People from all over the world created something in the lab successfully, even by accident it created itself. That's how they study. There is no way our Earth is less than 10,000 years old. Our Earth is over 4 billion years old… Why do pastors pretend to believe in god and go to church? So they can collect money from people. That's an excuse. The people wanted to be religious so they can go to heaven? Look around you, we evolve something new every year. We created and invented things. You have cell phone-that god didn't create them. We did. If god created cell phones, then why it wasn't here at the time before Jesus was born? God is not a creator. Who created god? The answer I believe it is… Unimaginable unknown.
Radhasoami Faith View of Modus Operandi of Creation of Universe
Stephen Hawking writes in The Grand Design, “It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the Universe going.” Hawking said the Big Bang was merely the consequence of the law of gravity. In A Brief History of Time, Hawking had suggested that the idea of God or a divine being was not necessarily incompatible with a scientific understanding of the Universe.
Although Hawking is very close to Truth yet he is not perfect in his views while discarding the role of divine being. I consider the role of eternal gravity uppermost but I strongly differ with Hawking on the role of divine being. I consider Divine Ordainment is the cause of Creation of Universe.
Now I give Radhasoami Faith view of Creation Theory. In Sar Bachan (Poetry) composed by His Holiness Soamiji Maharaj the August Founder of Radhasoami Faith the details of creation and dissolution has been described very scientifically. It is written in Jeth Mahina (name of Hindi moth) in this Holy Book: Only He Himself (Supreme Father)and none else was there. There issued forth a great current of spirituality, love and grace (In scientific terminology we may call this current as gravitational wave). This is called His Mauj (Divine Ordainment). This was the first manifestation of Supreme Being. This Divine Ordainment brought into being three regions, viz., Agam, Alakh, and Satnam of eternal bliss. Then a current emerged with a powerful sound. It brought forth the creation of seven Surats or currents of various shades and colours (in scientific terminology we may call it electromagnetic waves). Here the true Jaman or coagulant was given (in scientific terminology this coagulant may be called as weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force). Surats, among themselves, brought the creation into being.
These currents descended down further and brought the whole universe/multi verse into being i.e. black holes, galaxies etc. were born.
I would like to add further that sound energy and gravitational force current are non polar entity and electromagnetic force is bi-polar. Hence spiritual polarization, if occurred, is occurred in the region of Sat Lok and region below to it only.
The ‘Big Bang Model’ has failed one of the crucial acid tests for its survival that relates to detection of remnant of gravity waves from the earliest epoch of the universe. Existence of gravitational – wave background, predicted by Einstein in 1916 in his general theory of relativity, is expected from the violent early moments of the Big Bang much like the cosmic microwave background that fills the sky with radio waves from the early universe. While the microwave background originated 380,000 years after the Big Bang, gravitational – wave background purportedly come directly from events in the first minute after the Big Bang. As per Einstein’s prediction, the cataclysmic Big Bang is believed to have created a flood of gravitational waves – ripples in the fabric of space-time that still fill the universe, albeit at a very feeble strength to be discernible by the conventional astronomical tools, and carry information about the universe as it was in the immediate aftermath of the Big Bang. Ironically, the much publicized LIGO experiments, undertaken at whopping sum of over $365 million, for probe of remnant of the gravity waves from the earliest epoch of the universe have so far yielded nothing.
Notwithstanding the fact that diferent theories under the proposed M-theory in Hawking’s latest book titled ' The Grand Design' represent different facets of the same underlying theory i.e., ‘Theory of Everything’, its viability as ‘The Grand Design’ providing mathematical formulism for unification of fundamental forces in nature is highly speculative, with very remote possibility of its being verified expermentally.
There was nothing in the bible about the dinosaurs or how the dinosaurs died from…. Don't follow the bible. Follow your heart. If 300 people on the Lord Howe Island didn't know know god exist, then they don't know about god or the bible. People should not tell people to read the bible to believe in god (not God). Do you actually believe in the script or in writing? Not! Reading the bible and going to church isn't about god. It's about people to people being motivated with each other and giving out money to the needy, greedy pastors.
I have gone through three books titled, ‘ A Brief History of Time’, ‘The Theory of Everything’, and ‘The Grand Design’ – all authored by the celebrated scientist, Stephen Hawking. I find content of all his books to be more or less the same with minor variation here and there. I fail to comprehend why Hawking has been repeating the same thing again and again. Repeated mention of the Big Bang Model as viable explanation for the origin of the universe does not convince intelligent readers about its validity in the light of several unattended inconsistencies with the said model.
I think Hawking should stand up, walk outside and get some fresh air. Oops…..didn't mean to inpersonate Joe Biden. Only arrogant no-nothing scientists think they can explain everything they see in the universe. Dark matter makes up 80 percent of the universe and smarty pants' like Hawking know nothing about it !! ____"By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command" –Hebrews 11:3
Stephen Hawking is not trying to be arrogant, just trying to explain theories that he has created. He doesn't put them as absolute fact. If the Dan below were a scientist, he'd understand that. Even gravity is based on a theory, but we accept it as a law.
Perhaps Steve is wrong, and his theories aren't correct. That doesn't make them any less helpful in trying to learn the eventual truth. I personally have only the basic understanding of how computers work at a base level. Just because I don't know how they work in intricacy doesn't mean that it can't be explained.
We are getting closer gradually to explaining the most complicated things in the universe; life and the universe. You can't expect life to be as simple as gravity, or the universe to be as simple as life. Religious people have nothing to lose. Life and the universe has already been explained to them. Weirdly enough, it was also explained in hundreds of other religions. But obviously your particular religion is the correct one. The scientific groups are trying to explain it so that everyone has one explanation, but apparently that would screw up religious beliefs. If faith is all that matters, than every religion is correct which is impossible.
Why did Professor Hawking wait for over 20 years before acknowledging Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem as ruling out a complete Theory of Everything (TOE)?
An all-encompassing TOE would not only include a logical derivation of the fundamental laws from a set of root mathematical axioms but would extend this logical derivation to every possible phenomenon in the universe as a mathematical statement.
This is the definition of the TOE used by Professor Hawking, as evidenced, for instance, by his including the Goldbach conjecture formulated as a physical problem – in terms of wooden blocks – as part of “the theory of the universe”, as he puts it in his website.
Applying Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem to the root mathematical axioms shows that the mathematical system is either inconsistent, which we can rule out, or that it is incomplete, ie, there are some true statements of the mathematics – manifest as phenomena in our universe – which cannot be deduced from the root axioms and, therefore, which cannot be predicted from the TOE either, since it is, itself, derived from the root axioms.
The fact that a TOE derived from the root axioms of the type envisaged by Professor Hawking is incapable of predicting all the phenomena in the universe surely deserved a comment!
In The Grand Design, again, no mention is made of Gödel, although this is less surprising if M-theory is regarded as a “conventional” TOE, which does not attempt to explain all phenomena.
However, there is a final twist to the tale. While Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem shows that an all-encompassing TOE, which predicts all phenomena, cannot be derived from the root axioms, it is nevertheless true that a TOE which does predict all phenomena could, in principle, be written down without deriving it. It would simply not be possible to prove, in this universe, that what had been written down was, indeed, the genuine TOE. This, and other aspects of the TOE, are discussed in my website, http://www.godel-universe.com.