Puma Punku is a set of ruins in Bolivia, not well known outside of archaeologist and UFOlogist circles. Why have these stones attracted two seemingly opposite groups?
The ruins are what is left of the Pumapunku pyramid, a temple that stood at least 56 feet tall. It is located in Tiahuanaco, near Lake Titicaca, a region associated with pre-Incan culture. Archaeologists believe the temple may have been built for worshipping the creation god Viracocha, but have no definitive evidence either way.
But the real mystery lies in how Puma Punku was built. Many of the blocks weighed 200 tons, with one even weighing in at 450 tons! How were these blocks brought to a plateau 13,000 feet high? While Stonehenge’s method is often explained as stones being rolled on tree trunks, the tribe would have had no access to trees on the barren plateau. The wheel had supposedly not been invented by that point, leaving archaeologists without an explanation.
Once the stones were brought to the site, they were cut so precisely that they could be fit together like puzzle pieces.
Some of these stones have perfectly straight grooves in them that are only 1 cm deep. Note the sets of equi-distant holes that were drilled in the picture below. If the stones are made of the hardest granite there is, how could the tribe have possible put these markings into the stones? What tools did they have available to them, and where did they come from?
UFO and alien experts believe the people who built these stones had contact with extraterrestrial beings. This is often referred to as the “ancient astronaut theory”. These beings would have either completely built the temple themselves, or assisted the humans in building it by providing instruction and advanced tools.
Scientists call these theories bunk, but cannot provide any better explanation for how primitive humans fit 200-ton stones together or planned the intricate process without the ability to read or write.
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March 9th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
To my knowledge, the only material that would have been strong enough to make those grooves, would b diamonds, or tools with a diamond edge.something to think about…
March 10th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
We humans ARE actually aliens. Well, we are decendants of strange visitors from outer space with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal man.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Defidently diamond tipped or better tools.We didnt have that yet..Also from airial views of all the structures from pumapunku to the pyramids, myan temples ,easter island, stonehenge, are all a map of our solar system… We didnt have the power to go into space yet or map it on a structure with tools we didnt have..
Maybe we assisted in building,it would take an army or more and many years to build these structures, but other beings, possibly GODS were here back then and are probably are still here today.I'm guessing that they are us, and are here keeping a close eye on their wild children,, Humans nature is wild and crazy, After all we are animals and in nature its survival of the fittest.. Being intelligent and knowing this information we can change as humans… i wish we would all just get along as a whole planet.. We are giving the worst example of human nature..MD1 .n.y.c.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:26 am
These structures are all built of a lost form of concrete. The reason that the grooves are so perfect is that they are cast. The ancients were much smarter then we give them credit for.
March 14th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
History Is A Repetition Of Golden Ages Followed By The Ends Of Empires. In the dawn of time, a civilization would begin and advance to greatness, only to be destroyed. Humanity would then regress back to primitive conditions and have to begin all over again. Little trace of the former empire would remain. Ancient historians stated that civilization has been completely destroyed at least 5 times, either by water or fire. The devastation came either in the form of volcanic earthquakes or a comet (fire) and earthquakes and tidal waves (water). The last END OF AN AGE came with a combination of fire and water combined with man's inhumanity to man. Waters that are NOW oblivion had become tombs of ice; glaciers buried whole cities. The Reason For Writing The Earth History Is To Re-State: It Can Happen Again!
March 15th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Geologists around the world agree that the ice in Alaska and most other polar lands in the north were tropical thousands of years ago. Many plants, fish and animals native to subtropical climates have been found frown beneath the Arctic glaciers. Coral and palm trees are frozen in Alaska. Frozen animals were found devouring tropical vegetation, found crushed in herds in the positions of running from some cataclysmic disaster that occurred INSTANTLY. Scientists now have proof that the North Pole has shifted its position several times by many thousands of miles! What was once tropical is now ice cap! What was once glaciers is now the tropics! Here in 1990, EXPERTS AGREE that this reversal will occur WITHIN THE NEXT Fifty (50) YEARS OR LESS!
March 15th, 2009 at 4:27 am
Uh, dude… We can tell the difference between naturally formed rock and concrete…
March 15th, 2009 at 3:49 am
As I understand, the casting theory is strongly contested by the fact that the straight edge surfaces have machined characteristics.
It is heartbreaking yet predictable to encounter over and over, the (laughable) limitations casually placed on the implications of the Puma Punku ruins by unimaginitive academics who claim to represent "good science". They seem determined to endorse ideas based solely on preconceptions informed by an incomplete education, not a basic observation and theory process that leads an open mind to where the chips fall-ie; the pathetic Idea that a culture
of natives who had no evidence of language could have been the source of these constructs simply because there is some evidence of their merely being there.
Simply put, thay can't explain it, so they undermine it's potential impact and sell us all short
with unusable theories.
March 16th, 2009 at 1:31 am
The rock is diorite. Unless they poured 450 tons of molten lava into a perfectly smooth mold that didn't explode, that would be quite difficult. To do this work, you would need master stonemasons with diamond tipped tools and water blasting jets. Diorite is extremely hard to work. You only use it when you want to preserve something small and manageable for all time., like Hammurabi's code.
March 16th, 2009 at 7:09 am
i believe that extraterrestrials showed human beings how to use tools that harnessed the power of the hutchinson effect and other natural (but unrealized by 'modern' technology) phenomena. look it up, very interesting.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Crow,
You make so much sense by saying this. It would have been almost impossible to copy create those stones like that. Tehy were cast. At least the only theory that would make sense. But machined characteristics on the blocks.. But what if they tomorrow we figure out how they did it, wouldnt that be awesome? lol… I hope to see those answers in my life time.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
We are earthlings . We are trapped on earth never to live anywhere else. Our chemical make-up is OF this earth . We have no other- worldly elements in our bodies. Only if another planet had our exact chem. & oxygen could we have come here to live . What of the odds of aliens producing viable offspring ?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
The equi-distant drill holes in a straight cut shows how the stone is cut . Ever see any modern road-side cut into rocks ? This looks like a mistake in measurement . A program I watched recently showed more pics one with a similar cut ,only it looked like it ended in the center of the stone much like a router cut . Now that would be hard to explain !
March 17th, 2009 at 4:57 am
nice
March 18th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
I believe that if we stopped watching so much TV, started turning off our lights at home and started staring at the stars, we could figure it out. As a human race, we only use 10% of the power of our brains, there is so much untapped potential there. Imagine how much more we could accomplish is we just stopped being distracted by the internet, television or TMZ! LOL! Ok, maybe not the internet, but just imagine, these people couldn't even read or write, yet they looked into the sky and figured things out. It's not so amazing, if we (Humans) are capable of harnessing the energy of the sun……just imagine……
March 19th, 2009 at 6:55 am
We, husband and I …Totally both agree…. you can chisel a stone or score a rock but we have never seen such precision as this.
Take in the fact what era you are dealing with and what tools were available…think about how little of knowledge was there, and capabilities. Then think how vast the Universes is and the knowledge it could hold. We will now leave it up to all of you.
March 19th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
in order to cast Diorite, it would need to be at a manageable temperature; before the stone becomes to crested and hard. This would have to happen when the stone is above 1200 degress F, so it is doubtful that these stones were cast. If that theory were true, the mason that cast these would have been scalded and burned to death. Unless they had some sort of protection which is doubtful.
The construction of this would have to have been done with a diamond tipped drill or laser (something to heat the stone to a temperature in which to manipulate it). I'm not saying UFO's or Alien Intelligence designed this or constructed it, but this is a technology and feat unknown to the time.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
I read your comment on Puma Punku, do you believe in the 2012 disaster scenario? I believe it will be aliens who bring this event to being. If you want to talk about it I would love to speak with someone with like beliefs. If not, sorry to bother you.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 am
Who's to say that we won't evolve through saturating ourselves with entertainment and technology? Internet alone is allowing us all to access information at incredible degrees. It's all up to time now.
April 1st, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Just because we (modern people) can not comprehend how past civilizations built these structures, doesn't mean aliens built them. Mankind should not sell themselves short.
It is not my intention to bruise anyone's ego, but maybe modern man is not so smart afterall.
April 2nd, 2009 at 7:42 am
One extreme or another, but not the simplest explanation. Aliens would be a great answer, just as us pretending that humans followed a linear path to us today. Most logical is Puma Punku is a perfect example that we are not the ultimate example of our ancestors. The Neandertals 100,000 years ago had larger brains than us, so very likely in the many cycles of resetting the planet we have reset the clock and we are now the "homo-blogitals" species.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Why can't we Earthlings sense that we are not the most intelligent life forms in our known universe?The evidence is overwhelming if we look at it scientifically.The idea that Pumapunku could have been erected using Llama skins and ropes is silly. Perhaps Sitchen is correct ,it was a mining operation.
April 13th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
These lines that were carved out of the diorite are PERFECTLY straight. They are EXACTLY 1cm deep, and are precise in every instance. The 1cm in depth is perfect, not even varying in a single millimeter. How is that even detectable with the naked eye? The consistency is phenomenal, I dare say perfect. Now I can understand having a lot of man-power and rope, but how do you explain lifting hundreds of tons that high, to stack that perfectly? Also, this particular area sits aprox. 14,000 feet above sea level. There are no trees for miles and miles, so transportation of these massive stones using log-rolling isn't considered likely or even possible. Beyond that, we must remember that this structure was erected before the wheel was even invented! Being diorite, its only possible that these lines were cut using diamond, being as flawless as they are. Where and how would you get an abundance of diamond to create this on such a massive scale? Casting the diorite is out of the question as well, because it simply makes no sense that they had the ability to cast this kind of stone, but they only used such knowledge in the construction of this structure. Had they had the ability to cast diorite, that would mean they would also be able to cast every other stone/mineral on the planet save for diamond, though this technique is only displayed here and here alone? Unlikely.
So we have ourselves an enormous anomaly. Here was have humans, literally one step out of the stone age not even having invented the wheel. Yet they are accomplishing feats that aren't even possible to replicate today with all our technological might.
And RSJr., I believe your slightly mistaken in your comment about us using 10% of our brian. Now I admit I am not certain, but I believe that we only simultaneously use 10% of our brain at any given time, not that we only use 10% of our actual brain capacity.
April 15th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
I would like to re literate what drew posted:
Being a skeptic as I am, I have to look at all these possibilities to come up with a "reasonable" way these blocks were done. There are several factors to consider:
1. Where & how did these 3+ton blocks get moved from considering the location?
2. Diorite is EXTREMELY difficult to either cut OR cast
3. You need something HARDER than itself to perform cutting, not the same material
4. This was an ancient civilization
5. The cuts & drill holes examined, by professional stone masons, were determined to be done with extreme precision. Hand tools are out of the question.
6. The interlocking block system was extremely advanced, more so than the pyramids.
These are the facts.
Now the puzzling question remain, just how was all this done?
I am not stating that aliens did this nor am I stating that humans could not have achieved this. But you do have to look at the facts.
I would not appose to the thought that they were assisted by "some" kind of superior assistance.
April 20th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Can we go back to the theory of Atlantis? Could they have cut the stone with some kind of laser? Our best methods of cutting anything accurately are laser guided tools, or software driven (cnc). If we had an earlier advanced civilization that was destroyed or destroyed itself, it could be another answer. We need more people like Clive Cussler searching for wrecks to actually find Atlantis and that may solve a lot of "earthly" mysteries.
April 25th, 2009 at 9:36 am
So either the ancients or the aliens used a unit for length we only agreed upon in the 18th century?
And seriously, if these people were so advanced why haven't they heard of weight distrubution?
This building is what you get when thousands of people work for decades.
May 3rd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
What about use of a different cutting "technology": chemical (plant, animals or natural acid juce, like.) stone material treatment, prier of the material removal? something we not know in our time. something we evolutionary "jump over" and never invented with out need in the presents of available for us solutions and tools.
May 3rd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Why can`t "aliens" present an evidence of more sophisticated technology or materials, beside pure stone construction? An in bedded in to the stone short metal rode,
made from stainless steel allow would make our debate much shorter.
May 6th, 2009 at 4:07 am
If this civilization was at the peak of it's age, then wouldn't it have advanced past the use of stone, and craft steel? And perhaps this civilization was destroyed by a disaster, such as a comet or tidal waves, wouldn't there be an impact crater or a wider dispersion of the pyramid? I'm extremely curious about how this structure was built and destroyed. Now there are many theories floating about and two definite sides (Ancient alien allies and skeptical structural scientists). There are those who say we aren't giving any credit to the ancients, but what about the aliens? Is it such an outlandish theory? Are we cynical yet narcissistic enough to think we are the only complex organisms in the entire universe, which is infinite (as far as we know)? Not all planets formed at the same time, which means life out there can be far more technologically advanced than ourselves. Meaning they could have been here, this could be a sign, and this could have more meaning than simply being an architectural marvel.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Metals like steel erode and rust. Diorite is something you construct with when you truly want longevity in your architecture. A diamond might be forever, but Diorite is sahweeet. Lol. Just wonder what the age of men was when speaking a unified language, being split into multi-lingual societies after having constructed the Tower of Babel.
May 11th, 2009 at 1:49 am
We don't only use 10% of our brains. That's a rumour, and totally unfounded. Have you never seen a CAT scan? Maybe only YOU use 10% of your brain, but a lot of other people use 100%.
May 11th, 2009 at 3:50 am
You are absolutely correct in stating "modern man" is not so smart after all. Despite our many accomplishments we've failed to understand where and how we fit in to our planet's scenario. We see ourselves as seperate and unique with no connection to anything, thus the continual degradation of our planet's balanced system; educated people still cannot agree on global warming for example. I could go on and on with other examples like the Pacific Dump site of floating plastic twice the size of Texas, or the loss of the ozone layer, etc., etc.
I'm convinced of UFO's, just not sure where they are from.One fanciful thought, one of many, is that perhaps a civilization left Mars before it that planet died and settled here. The stone cutting of Puma-Punka was not done by hand with ancient tools. If so, they would have used the only metal technology possibly available besides gold, etc. and that would be copper – not likely.
Rather than keeping an open mind and investigating like a true scientists, mainstream authorities – the "smart men" have always laughed at visionaries. Columbus was laughed at, Darwin heckled; need I gone on?
May 11th, 2009 at 4:25 am
As long as they were able to talk to one another then they also had a means of communication sufficient to build these structures. The problem really lies with the technology necessary; it simply was not available as far as we know. I've seen these blocks and absolutely convinced they were tooled with some advanced method or history lost to us.
South America contains some real mysteries that point to an advanced civilization in pre-history. As far as the nay-sayers and pooh-poohers, they may as well go back to laughing at people like Columbus and Darwin, a spherical earth revolving around the sun, flight and travel beneath the sea. They are simply taking the place of the small minds who came before and left this a legacy of foolish doubt for them to take up.
I call this Bill Nye Seth Shostak-ism after two scientists who openly laugh at theories such as discussed here. Their response to these ideas are silly and childish mainly because they cannot offer anything plausible on their own; they cannot even discuss it without launching into 3rd grade put downs. Scientists as dopes.
I liked your explanation, it's plausible and thought out. I just imagine it would have been impossibly long to accomplish.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:34 am
FYI, Diorite is only about 5.5-6 on the Mohs hardness scale, so there are ample amounts of materials that exceed its strength and resiliency.
May 11th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
yes you are absolutly right the only material hard enough to cut such fine cenimeter thin lines in that type of granet is diamond
May 15th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Quarts ranks a 7 on Mohs scale and we know how common that is. Please post a link that shows that diorite is 5.5-6. Are the stones cut from a particularly hard diorite crystal form? Why is it so strongly believed that only diamond tipped tools could have cut these blocks, when according to John K, that quarts would be sufficient?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale
June 3rd, 2009 at 11:41 am
http://cameo.mfa.org/browse/record.asp?subkey=306...
Oops, I would've given the link earlier, but, since posting, I hadn't returned here much.
Anyways, because diorite tends to contain proportions of quartz (<5%), it's likely a harder material was used, though that's still a non-issue, as I see it.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Man may be apes and we are the gods, you have said something that my 9th grade teacher said back in the year 1984 or ancient man might have been phased out.
June 4th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
My theory on many of these advanced construction without explanation projects would be a visit from earth origin time travelers. Just think what of the available technology in 1000 years from now will be ; I am taking a leap and saying that a time travel prodical has been invented and a certain number of individuals have visited and maybe influenced primitive cultures through their advanced technology….the ramifications of such and event ( or events) throughout history would be staggering ….and would explain a lot of mysterys….Steve
June 5th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
I was talking with a friend about Puma Punku and he brought up the idea of human time travelers as an explanation. In my opinion, it is a possibility although alien visitors seems to be more plausible.
On a side note, it feels really funny to say that aliens are a more plausible explanation than any other option.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
I also theorize that the earth origin time travelers used time travel as an escape from their world of the future and chose to live in the past as Gods…. the Greys that are often mistaken for "aliens" are actually Bio-engineered servants/helpers that do the dirty work of the time travelers( who themselves are often seen as nothing more than tall human like beings)… Steve
June 14th, 2009 at 5:47 am
Here's some food-for-thought and an interesting read for the open-minded "Phylos – A dweller on two planets". http://www.scribd.com/doc/415935/Phylos-A-Dweller...
In the book the author discusses daily life in Atlantis and the technologies in use at the time. He asserts the Atlanteans's technology was far more advanced than our own.
Some of the theories mentioned seem quite interesting. He describes how the science of the time understood how energies such as heat, sound, light, electricity and matter stem from different rates of vibration of an underlying energy/matter, and these could be controlled by "resisting" changing one energy type to another, in a similar to way how we produce heat by resisting electricity.
From Chapter V: "In this year A. D., 1886, chemists count the process costly which produces the metal, aluminum. In that day, forces arising from the Night−Side rendered inexpensive the production of any metal which might be found in nature, either native, or as an ore. As it might be done to−day didst thou but know how, and that day is not far off when thou wilt again uncover the knowledge, so, in that time, we transmuted clay, first raising its atomic speed so that it became white light of a pale illuminating power and then reducing it to the, so to speak, chemical “mile−post” of aluminum, and this at a cost not nearly so great as in this modern day it takes to get iron from its ores …. A metal which might be obtained from any ledge of slate rock, or a bed of clay, was so inexpensive as to be the chief base metal in use."
My long-winded point is that, as it seems impossible for "indians" to have constructed such precise objects from diorite, then they probably didn't. If a previous advanced civilisation existed but was wiped out, they may have had technology more advanced than our own. Building one of those precisely-shaped blocks from clay, then transmuting it to diorite – if possible – might be considerably easier than other methods, if we knew how.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Ever heard of Pier L Ighina? Apparently he invented a way to change the vibrational rate of a substance, transmuting it from one kind of matter to another… see http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/4905... and http://www.svpvril.com/ighina/magatom.html.
"From his experimentations he developed an apparatus that enabled him to regulate the magnetic atomic vibrations. He was thus able to control the energy of the matter. He tried to tune in into the different matter to see if he could know their exact vibration. He was successful in that and so, leaving the apparatus for a whole day tuned in into the vibration of a certain matter, the next day the apparatus had slightly changed its vibratory rate, and so had done the matter itself. This matter seemed now to have a different structure, more similar to that corresponding to the new vibration. Through various experiments he realized that this way he could change a matter into another."
It might be possible that the diorite was once not diorite, if the ancients held this kind of technology.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
These are obviously left here by the Fallen Angels, or as some call them, Enoch's Angels – Or as others call them – Ancient UFOS – God was here then as now. A lot of our present and history has been hidden by the Catholic Church and a lot of evil has been done by leaders and Popes of this so called Church. Christ himself knew of these ancient mysteries as did all of the true prophets. There is and always has been magic on this Earth – We have just simply become too arrogant to believe it or even see it anymore when it is right in front of our faces. UFOS and magic do exist – they are just simply part of God's great Heavens and His plan for our existence – If we could just talk to Ezekial or Enoch today they could explain a lot of things to us. They did leave us writings but the Catholic Church has over the centuries decided that we did not need to read them because we are just ignorant peasants and they, who have roasted people alive, are far better than us. But now, as we near the end of days as we know them, more of this ancient knowledge is coming to us by God,s will and we are beginning to learn His full truth.
July 1st, 2009 at 12:00 am
Sorry about my Church comments, but I really do believe these ruins are part of an ancient magic that explains our UFOS then as well as now. There are mysteries on this planet that only God and Faith can explain.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
After reading all of your comments, I really can understand why Americans are referred to as the "great uneducated". They stay at home and gorge themselves, all they want to do is be entertained, and when they do make a comment, they simply show how foolish and ignorant they really are. Such a sad country that has wasted so many resources, including their own intelligence.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:19 am
OK then Linda. Since you are so smart, and superior, let's hear your explanation? I can't wait for this!
July 9th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Many good points here. The facts dictate a higher intelligence at Puma Punku. Natives in loin cloths with chisels could not have done this work. The design itself of the stones is nowhere else to be found on earth. The cuts are machined..advanced tools were used obviously so any discussion otherwise is a waste of thought. We have been pumped so full of dogma that we are not allowed to believe the obvious anymore. Any fool can see this was done by advanced beings. Stones all over the world display strange charaistics time and time again and archeologists preverving there tenure tell us Natives did it with primitive tools, a silly littel explanation that defies belief.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:32 am
So you think that time travelers from the future would have only traveled back to these "ancient" times and not to our current time ever or any other time in recorded history where there would be record of their visit?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Earth is like a toilet. When your'e done using it, it flushes the shit away!. And knowdes how sometimes when you take a big dump and when you flush it leaves a stain of your shit.. Well Earth is exsactly that way. BEACAUUSSEEE!.. After so many years the earth will have a huge natural disaster and then a new civilization begins. And It will leave little pieces of the past behind. Thats why we see what we see today. Got it? Good.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
If the dumb little modern humans we are could get out of the way of our thoughts we might actually be able to realize what we already know but cannot recognize it for the simplicity it is.
Do the math, 4 billion year old planet and we think we have it going on after only a few thousand years? (according to modern historical archaeology)
Everything is alien if it does not exist in the present
Open your mind, open your heart and get out of your head
Carbon, Nitrogen, Hydrogen, Silicate = ingredients for everything in the known universe including all the narcissistic disconnected biological blubber bags that we are, get over yourselves.
I sure hope the reset is coming soon, this place is just flat out ridiculous. Go Mayan!
July 11th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
i 100% agree with u.why people can t understand we are still primitive humans manipulate of the guvermant and catolick ideas all the time.all what u see and what u got is manipulate by tv and newspapers and who owns them.i believe is high inteligent aliens out there and they watching us how we get on.if we stop fighting and more listening then they will contact us and show what inteligence really mean.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:20 am
Here's a thought, a new theory on how the planets formed to help you understand why we are NOT alone in the universe. Every couple billion years, the sun will have a HUGE solar flare burst out from its surface. This HUGE solar flare will carry with it a big glob of molten matter which will start orbiting the sun as a new planet. They proved that the planets are slowly moving away from the sun. So obviously billions of years ago Mars was the same distance from the sun as the Earth which is explains why there are traces of ancient oceans on Mars. Venus will become the new Earth and this Earth will become the next Mars. DUH! So obviously there must have been previous civilizations on both Mars and Earth, and the newest ones will for once Venus has moved further away from the sun giving it liquid water sufficient enough to support intelligent life. PLUS our sun is only one of the BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS of other stars within this galaxy alone, which I'm sure also have planets that flourish with itelligent life that could have evolved BILLIONS of years ago. There are more intelligent beings out there so get it through your F***ing heads!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Yes many Americans are lazy and uneducated… We're not at the forefront of nearly every single major scientific advancement in (at least) the last 100 years or anything… thats not true at all, no way.
Anyway… All of this is just speculation and there is no evidence to even hint at how they were built. In my opinion, there's just not enough to go on in order to come to any conclusions and thus no conclusions should be made by anyone. There are just ideas. Lets keep that in mind please. We are all just coming up with possible scenarios but until we can be allowed to dig the site, nothing can be proven at this time.
I suggest you all have an open mind though, and not jump to any conclusions. Its all extremely interesting but requires more evidence.
July 17th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
I'm sure that there's evidence. Unfortunately we are kept in the dark about it, due to the fact that are nature is to be better then everyone else. So if there really was extraterestrial evidence, it's probably being held by the government and kept out of the public's eye. However I believe that this is wrong and is only making our own evolution take longer then is necessary. I believe that we have been "visited" but the event(s) have been kept secret and the government has done none other then reap the benefits of the knowledge gained in order to be at the "top of the hill" wich they don't want anyone else reaching. We should flat out INVADE Area-51, I mean what are they going to do? Kill all of us? on live TV?
July 20th, 2009 at 2:39 am
So what race build the pyrimids of China. Have you ever heard or seen a place called Nanmidal. It is a Island in Micronisia in the pacific. I think that it has 92 man made Islands in the middle of the ocean.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:48 am
Has anyone heard of Nan Midal. It is made up of 92 man made islands in the middle of the pacific ocean. It is located in Micronisia in the island chain called Ponpei.
July 21st, 2009 at 3:41 am
brett favre is going to play for the vikings wether you guys like it or not, is the bomb diggity and he is still young, oh, and aliens built the dang structures! LoL!!!
July 24th, 2009 at 5:22 am
To dismiss the feats of the ancient South American people because us modern humans have not found evidence of a written language, is ludicrous and totally absurd. Should we question what medium we would expect to find this written language to be contained within? Perhaps it could be found in something a little more permanent than just paper and ink. Admittedly I am not an archeologist, but I know a digital matrix when I see one. Those tiny precisely drilled holes in the Diorite stones found at Puma Punku form such a matrix. Could the digital source code be laid out in the orientation of the stones themselves? What if it is right in front of us, waiting to be uncovered for all humanity to see. Who knows? I for sure don't. As always, "things are not always as they appear"… rather the perceived appearance is the result from its harmonic oscillations. So look again in a new light.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON STEVES THEORY . I THINK YOUR HALF RIGHT. WHAT I MEEN IS WHAT IF ALIENS COME TO EARTH IN THE DISTANT FUTURE AND WORK WITH US ON MANY TECHNOLOGICAL FEATS ONE OF THEM BEING TIME TRAVEL.
July 26th, 2009 at 1:36 am
north american indians were capable of drilling precision holes in stone beads, stone axes, and atlatl weights with a piece of hollow river cane filled with sand and water. they twirled it in their hands or used a bow drill. very easy technology. we use water jets today for cutting many hard materials. this isn't a theory. it can be replicated today. just because modern man can't figure it out doesn't mean they couldn't have. i believe our brains haven't evolved in at least 10,000 years except toward less intelligience.
July 26th, 2009 at 10:27 am
well, a for of concrete that hardens into granite or diorite? that is the issue here, these stones were 'cut' from granite or diorite…you can't create that with 'concrete'…it is also a major part of these creations that they 'did not' use mortar or concrete to connect the pieces together, part of their ability to last at all throughout the ages is that they are simply incredibly well shaped stones placed one upon another
July 26th, 2009 at 11:24 am
well, 'alright'..but one human brain cell holds more 'information/ data' than our toughest multi exabyte and petabyte computer measured chips and what not, brain cells have to retain memory, emotion, feeling, image, sound, plus umpteenth undefined perceptions and learning 'type things'….no way are we tapping into the full potential of our minds….i mean, maybe those cat scan patients were totally tweeking or something idunno? but without enhancement, this gray matter can barely even be considered to be something fully utilized.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:00 am
Human beings are not the original lifeforms of this planet. It was dinosaurs.
Dinosaurus are the natural lifeforms that Earth was inhabitated by for hundreds of millions of years. Humans only showed up a few thousand years ago. Could it be possible that space travelers from another planet came to Earth and planted their seed here, who happen to be modern day human beings as we know it? Yes, we are direct descendants of aliens from another planet.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
This ancient culture is a perfect example of what a group of people can accomplish when they FOCUS and WORK HARD – this is really some incredible work. Just because some of us think we couldn't have accomplished such a feat, doesn't mean another group didn't – the "lazy" answer is some superior intellegence from outer space must have done it – that's just wrong and ignorant. Just because someone doesn't tell you how they did something, doesn't mean they didn't do it!
The Earth is such a little spec when looking at the Universe as a whole, so I want some "alien" believers to explain how Earth was found by "beings crusing through space" and why they would have shown a culture how to "cut stone" and how to "farm the land". Why do so many people think humans can't do incredible things? We do incredible things all the time without the help of "outer space intelligence" and also do equally stupid things.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Humans didn't exists until about 10,000 BC, but I do see your point.
August 18th, 2009 at 12:06 am
We can't even accomplish this now with all of our modern technology. Now I don't believe that aliens put us here, but I do believe that aliens have something to do with these ruins and the Nazca Lines. Also, I do agree that more people need to realize that humans are capable of do extraordinary things like constructing the pyramids and creating airplains; plus, Leonardo de Vinci created the first self-propeled "car", now how’s that for incredible!
August 18th, 2009 at 12:11 am
We can cut metal with lazers now, so I don't see why the Atlantians wouldn't be able to cut stone with lazers, if they even existed
August 18th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
How long have we been living here on earth and still haven't found every single living species on it. We are still making awesome discoveries aren't we? What makes us think we have space covered?
August 28th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
These stones are very curious and interesting – whoever built them clearly had advanced technology for the time period.
Who's to say that these ancient peoples did not have the ingenuity to discover techniques and ways to build that we don't know because all remnants of that technology withered away with time? Or they devised complex systems of measurement?
Belief in Alien beings is just as plausible as saying God spat them out – because we have NO PROOF of Intelligent life. You can believe whatever you wish, but we have no proof of intelligent life.
Since we're dealing with the origins, we should start and ask ourselves if there is any way possible that all of the designing, moving, cutting, and erecting could have been done by natural means with a long enough time scale? The construction of this could've went through generations and generations of stonemasons who knew far more than other peoples of the time. Maybe they lived in relative peace, and their whole society could've been focused on engineering and craftsmanship. For all we know, all they did all day was make precision-cut rocks and if they couldn't do that, they farmed the land for the people that did.
Even if it could be proven we could do this through natural means, the Alien astronaut enthusiasts would still stress disbelief that these ancient peoples were clever enough to do it themselves, and there could still be a debate from some that Aliens or Dinosaurs did it with their laser eyes. Until the Aliens themselves land and say "we had nothing to do with it", there is no possible way to ever disprove this idea.
When Intelligent Life is discovered in our universe, this theory has more possibility for truth. But for now it's as myth as any other theory that undermines the possibilities of human innovation and all the time you have when all you do is hunt, gather, and build giant stones and I think that instead we should be doing full on investigations to see how exactly these could've been constructed.
September 1st, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Yes, All theory for now. My thoughts drift to the “why of it”.Why would ancient people spend so much time and effort working primitive stone techniques, possibly for generations to simply at the end, posses a stone structure. Was it simply a religious site? And if so, built for the worship of whom? 400 Ton stones dragged across miles of wasteland at great physical cost to serve no other purpose than worship?
It won’t wash. This site was built by individuals using advanced techniques in stone cutting, possibly the same secret techniques that were already being used across the ancient world. These remarkable structures were built in this way because it WAS EASY for them. Generations of natives did not spend their entire existence just cutting and arranging a few pieces of stone. The secret techniques were just that, secret. Only a few had the knowledge and it was guarded and never given openly to all. Why weren’t these designs replicated in other sites later..because the “average” man could not do it. That’s’ the proof of a lost science. Otherwise we would see ever evolving designs from later cultures.
September 21st, 2009 at 1:08 am
An armchair physicist I know feels time travel is actually more probable than intersellar travel. I bow to his judgement. The raw intelligence of the human being diminishes with technology, as demonstrated by anthropologists. "Stone Age" peoples have scored higher on raw intelligence testing than their "modern" counterparts, as related in the book "Guns, Germs & Steel".
And as for drilling and cutting with sand…I think I'm the only person on this page who has actually cut and drilled and shaped glass and stone with sand and a variety of wooden & power implements. Using diorite sand or diamond sand or anyother kind of sand, you may actually get a perfectly straight line a few milimeters wide, but it will not be of absolutely uniform depth, and it most certainly will not have sharp coners.
I welcome anyone to try it and replicate those results with primitive tools.
If it was possible to replicate this feat, someone would have done so.
In the whole world, one successful attempt would debunk the entire matter.
September 22nd, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Most of the blocks were cut from Diorite, second only to diamonds in hardness. They were not poured into molds.
September 23rd, 2009 at 1:33 am
This is all based on modern day dating techniques of stones? What about this site makes anybody believe it is indeed ancient? Indeed today we dont give our ancestors enough credit for anything, but we shouldn't be believing the media and their cover-story archaeologists. In other words, we cant just assume an archaeologists dating of a site like this is accurate or credible.
To me it is more likely that the government of Bolivia brought in a contractor (a company) to carve pumapunka using state of the art modern tools. They could've done that to secretly encourage tourism to the extreme/harsh country that is Bolivia. From the looks of things pumapunka is relatively small and about 10-20% complete (judging by conceptualized diagrams of what it should look like).
October 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Finally somebody who addressed the fact that this structure was being built so it could not be torn/knocked down.
I am more interested in the why. What was the reason to build this structure that would last this long? A people/race with the knowledge to work with this material could have worked with many other materials that would have lasted longer than their generation and many more to come. What was this structure meant to be? Why the fear of it being knocked/torn down?
It is said the pyramids were made to house knowledge/records; was puma punku meant as a storage facility for knowledge? Or was it meant to store dangerous materials like a nuclear waste facility or weapons magazine? Is it possible that these materials caused destruction before the housing was completed?
October 7th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
This is a fascinating topic. Because of the fact that there does not seem to be much consensus on how or why this work was done, you would think archaeologist would have more interest in studying it further, but that does not seem to be the case. I also think that it would be easier to get more serious about this if some of the blatant myths were exposed. The one that really annoys me… I was watching one of the ancient mystery / ancient astronaut theory documentares on History, again, a couple of nights ago.
October 7th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
cont… One guy made the statement that because the blocks were made of diorite, it would be impossible to cut them without the use of diamond. To start with, diorite is a rock, not a mineral. The hardness of diorite can vary depending upon the minerals it is cheifly composed of. I have heard anything from 3 – 7 on a mohs scale, but , mohs is for minerals, not rocks, so this could be misleading. Anyways, diamond is a 10 on the mohs scale and to say that diamond is the only substance harder than diorite is simply pure BS. cont…
October 7th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
No one should be making such a statement without doing a little research first. It is a good way to totally discredit yourself. Also, diorite can be cut and shaped without modern tools, it was done in very early times in Egypt and other civilizations, google it and see some good examples. VI do truly find this site fascinating, I would love to go there and get a look myself, just to get a true feel of the place. I think the best way to get to a real conclusion(or as close to accurate as possible) is to first start discrediting the obvious myths. Let's start with the FACT that diorite IS NOT the hardest substance on earth besides diamond, and it can definitely be cut and shaped without modern diamond tipped tools, at least to some degree and scale.
October 9th, 2009 at 5:48 am
I guess that forgery is out of the question……. it does happen in a lot in archeological finds and is easily overlooked…..many archeologist sometimes will do anything to pickup a bigger pay check or fund an agenda. Here the only thing that we all seem to be going for is Alien assistance. Many people really don't understand how hard it is to travel through outer space. It's been researched that even Type II Kardashev civilization aliens would have a very hard time traveling through space just to get to a planet that just happened to be pin pointed as they traveled here. You would need some sort of wormhole technology to get here unscathed and that takes power the size of the planet Jupiter to create. And why when they got here their intuition was to help humans build stuff ? I don't think so. Why would these aliens build things out of these super heavy rock formations instead of some highly advanced and Lighter composition……(and these compositions don't have to be stones or any metals created out of earths natural occurrences, as an advanced species would clearly understand the correct ingredients and chemicals to make something even stronger than diorite or diamond; especially if they are successful in traveling through space at such great distances). If aliens did ever come here I don't think that they would be quick to setup shop here on earth any more than we humans would be to setup shop on a primitive planet teaming with life in our distant future. And I don't believe they would assist us in building stuff, especially primitive super huge rock-like formations. For what; to report back to their civilization that they assisted us humans in building something; what would they get out of helping us build something and why would they waist their time doing that. If Aliens ever come here in the future or came here in the past I believe they would have come to Earth searching for new or extra resources to continue expanding their civilization. Now I'm not saying that forgery is the case, I'm just saying that we really should weigh and scientifically test everything before accepting any assumptions that Aliens assisted us in building things.
October 9th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
I think to assume the only reason a alien civilization's reason to venture out into space is to find more resources for themselves is pretty silly. Have you ever thought maybe WE were actually created by them? Who is to say we aren't genetic modifications of the species we "evolved" from? Ready for the real conspiracy theory…they killed off the dinosaurs, not just to protect smaller intelligent life, but also to create fuels for us to use.
If you look at it from a "parents" perspective it actually makes the most sense. Perhaps these giant structures are just lessons from one highly advanced civilization to one in it's infancy. After pushing us into the right direction they left, to let us flourish and grow however we see fit. Just like you wouldn't give six year old a super computer to program, an advanced civilization would not likely give us there technology. Especially if we were a genetically modified species THEY created.
Keep in mind this is just a theory. I have no proof that this is the case. However think about the last 100 years of human civilization. We have gone from walking on the ground to planning trips to mars. Imagine the next 10,000 years (if we last that long!). We can already clone animals. Who is to say we cannot genetically modify an alien species 1,000 years from now?
Open your minds to the possibilities. If we have learned anything as a species over the last 1,000 years, it's that we are not always right.
November 2nd, 2009 at 12:02 am
Allan Eckert wrote a novel detailing this shift: The HAB Theory
November 4th, 2009 at 1:44 am
We can't even agree on who "invented" electricity, the lightbulb, discovered America, etc. This is all "within the last couple hundred years" with WRITTEN records. What makes anyone believe that ancient people "didn't have the technology" to create such buildings.
It's funny to think that people believe 'modern humans' only came to be within the last couple thousand years. If we've been around the planet for only that long, and the planet is an estimated couple billion years old, what came before our "written history"? Seriously. We can't even truly understand Egyptian culture. Yes they may "have it figured", but I guarantee you visit their city back then and we've only "figured out" a small fraction of it.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:44 am
Just like others have stated before, any kind of technology that is held with the highest regards is not going to be shared or given to any outside the culture. Look at it today: top secret things going on inside every government on the planet. What government would disclose technologies that gives them advantage over others? NONE. The only way governments today continue developing technologies is by building upon the ideas and creations of others. Most of which is by recovering them after wars or by spending an absurd amount of money to try and steal it/recreate it/an idea.
All I'm trying to say is that it seems very pathetic to believe that our past couple thousand years of technological evolution is the only time in our planets history of a couple billion years. Global disasters occur. Even today if a large global disaster took place and the world civilizations were forced into the dark ages for a few hundred years, only a select few would live anything like we do today, while the rest of us would disappear into a very different era.
November 13th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
yes you sound like you come from mars.
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November 16th, 2009 at 9:00 am
puma punku may have been built by the pre flood biblical giants. they had the technology and strength to accomplish these feats. another poster said there is nowhere else on earth with such massive stones. that is incorrect, the stones at baalbek in lebanon are the largest in the world. there are only remains of some of the biggest blocks and some that were cut and left where they fell. the biggest stone is estimated to weigh almost 1000 tons. the romans built temples on top of the stones but even the romans didnt know who built them. the lebanese claim that the preflood race of giants built them. people on this board may ridicule but thats because they dont want to believe rather than for a lack of evidence.
November 18th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
I agree with you! people underestimate the power of brains usualy they come up with a stupid idea that aliens made them.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:34 am
Haha you're an idiot!
November 30th, 2009 at 6:29 am
No credits to hutchinson… aliens have brain washed him. he is a dumb robot on remote control.
December 3rd, 2009 at 5:52 am
once your all knowing u can't feel love were are the product of a all knowing thing that is tring to find a way to feel love to
December 26th, 2009 at 4:45 am
They are made of granite.
December 27th, 2009 at 12:12 am
Fact is ,we exist in a universe that is infinite.Therfore the possibility of how,why,and by whom any unexplained ancient structures on this minute spec we dwell on were constructed is also infinite.To conclude or speculate that any method used to do so would necessarily conform to any preconcieved method or reason that fits neatly into our present day expectations is inexcusably egocentric.God,aliens,early man,etc., are all feasible and potential sources for such megalithic structures.Why?? See first sentence.
December 30th, 2009 at 8:58 am
It's just not the method of building itself but to believe that ancient people poured their whole economy into these structures or cities. Who was growing the crops? Who was distributing the food? Who was organizing the manpower? Who was quelling rebelion, fighting wars or settleing disputes? If it took decades to build there were no floods, famine, drought, war or plauge to halt or stall production in that time period? Talk about great timing.
January 4th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Have you ever tried to drill a hole in oak? with a steel drill by hand or even in a drill press? I doubt you could make it straight? Go to a hardware store and get some things and try. Then reply to us and tell us they drilled a hole in a materal as hard as diamond with a stick with rock glued to it… lmao, idiots
January 4th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Are there books or better sites on this Puma Punku? Please post is anyone sees this.
As far as a comment, may I say its a gift? When a single plant or animal cell is a master of engineering, a miracle to the universe with billions of galaxy's, trillions of stars each, I call this site a gift, clue and a calling to? If the ones that made this remarkable building are gone and left no record of how, why and who, then how do we think we can survive in a wood house covered in asphault? Short term is how, and only short term.
My other observation so far on this site is that it seems remarkable to have been built, but it also looks like it was dismantled in an orderly fashion? Clue.
January 12th, 2010 at 11:53 am
The only way to learn the true potential of man is to look in … Not out.
A long lost forgotten truth in most of the world
January 22nd, 2010 at 5:12 pm
Oh really? Scientists agree that the site of Puma Punku is about 17,000 years old, so unless you agree with the ancient astronaut theory you're most definitely incorrect. A bit of research would have led you to the conclusion that intact "human beings" were found frozen in the polar regions, which are at least 100,000 years old. Some scientists also beleive that humans have been around for several million years, but I guess it depends on your definition of human.
But back to the thread… definitely an interesting point, and the molding theory is very plausible, infact, moreso convincing than many of the other theories floating around today. Just because our current technology doesn't allow us to rebuild such large, intricate stone blocks, does not mean that a civilization living 17,000 or more years ago couldn't have been capable of achieving this great feat, however unlikely it may seem to someone in our position.
January 27th, 2010 at 3:52 am
yeah-funny-i ilke what you wrote "I sure hope the reset is coming soon, this place is just flat out ridiculous. Go Mayan!"